HUGE TCPA WIN!: Court Finds Aspect predictive Dialer Not an ATDS– Explains Away Footnote 7

Well this is a big one.

In the best analyzed post-Facebook ATDS decision to date, a Court in South Carolina has ruled the Aspect predictive dialer is not an ATDS because it lacks a random or sequential number generator. The decision is Timms v. Usaa Fed. Sav. Bank,  C/A No. 3:18-cv-01495-SAL, 2021 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 108083 (D.S.C.  June 9, 2021) and–if defendants are lucky–the decision will form the bedrock for predictive dialer jurisprudence moving forward.

Most critically, the Court cabins off footnote 7 and interprets it as applicable only to systems that actually use an R&SNG to select the sequence of numbers to be dialed–but not to every dialer that calls sequentially.

Also important- the Court found that the system lacked the capacity to randomly or sequentially generate numbers–crediting the declarations from the Defendant to that effect. Interestingly, the declaration did not appear to come from Aspect–meaning there  was no deep review of the system’s true capabilities–but the Court relied on the operation of the system in practice by the Defendant on the issue of capacity. That’s pretty interesting.

To get there, the Court relied on the Plaintiff’s own submissions in connection with the undisputed facts at issue. The Plaintiff’s statement noted that the dialer called “sequentially”–but not that it used a random or sequential number generator to determine the sequence of dialing. That was Plaintiff’s critical error in the court’s view.

Here’s the punchline:

There is no evidence that the Aspect UIP or Aspect AIC store numbers using a random or sequential number generator or produce numbers using a random or sequential number generator. Both systems “are capable of making telephone calls only to specific telephone numbers from dialing lists created and loaded by” Defendant. Deneen Decl. at ¶ 6. They “cannot store or produce telephone numbers suing a random or sequential number generator.” Id. at ¶ 13. 

Yeah, that’s pretty good.

Again, however, caution is urged here. Keep in mind that the declaration here came from the Defendant, not the software provider. Had Plaintiff come forward with some contrary evidence regarding the capacity of the system to select numbers randomly or sequentially the result may have been different. And while the Court in one breath limits fn7 to “preproduced lists” that are “sequentially generated and stored,” in another it recognizes the application of fn7 to dialers that use an R&SNG to determine the sequence of numbers to be dialed.

We’ll obviously keep an eye on these cases as they develop.



  1. So the moral of the story is to state in the complaint exactly in this fashion, “the Defendant uses a combination of hardware and software to randomly or sequentially generate the SEQUENCE of numbers to be dialed.” Got it.

    1. I think the moral of the story is that dialers that do not actually use an R&SNG are not an ATDS but that callers need to be cautious if they don’t know how their dialer actually operates. And while it is unclear to me whether some predictive dialers might have that latent capacity in some instances, I certainly would not recommend anyone make such allegations without a valid basis to do so under Rule 11.

      1. Thanks Eric. Guess what I’m saying is callers leave themselves open to liability even if they are dialing from preproduced lists and their equipment does not have the capacity to generate the numbers themselves but has the ability or capacity to generate the sequence of numbers to be called and calls them.

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